Clint:
This is the wedding ceremony podcast, episode number one, recorded on Tuesday, February 4, 2014. My name is Rev. Clint Hufft and with me is JP Reynolds, star of the survivor wedding. JP everything good?
JP:
Everything is good, Clint. Excited to be a part of this.
Clint:
I am, too. I I don't see anything like this out there. We discussed this at length and what I really like is the idea that our perspective is both biased and unbiased in the fact that that we deal with the section of the wedding industry that I've said for years the doesn't exist within the business. But for the people that are actually experiencing this life-changing moment it's kind of the most important thing of the wedding day.
JP:
You know it really is. My thought is that you can have a great party with a lousy ceremony. You have a great ceremony, it really propels your guests and your family the party and people realize and understand what it is they're celebrating.
Clint:
So glad to hear you say that. There been times where I said to couples, and actually to other professionals as well - and this is where I admit I'm biased - but if if a couple decides to marry each other, I always think that if they then immediately, before they do anything else, because you know all the pressure of: we have to find a place! I’ve got to get a dress! If they immediately decide what they want to say to each other in terms of vows and commitments; how do I want to express my heart? Why I want to do this with you? If they figure out that language first, the very core of the ceremony, then expand out, all of a sudden all the other decisions they want to make in regards to the entire day become a lot easier. Because they've started with the essence of who they are, not only as a couple but as individuals. I always say that's the most important part of the ceremony. Because, number one, that's who we fell in love with. Number two, that's who you're offering: yourself. And all the little idiosyncrasies, all the little things that they've discussed over the years. Falling in love and figuring out if they have a future. All that comes into play when they really commit to each other. Does that make sense?
JP:
Right, you know it does, Clint. And I think my experience in working with couples is that oftentimes people think that if they're not going to get married in a church or temple or synagogue, not sure what they can have. I think people associate weddings ceremonies strictly with a religious setting and so people come to me and they’ll say, “We don't know what to do. We don't know what we can have. We don't know what's appropriate.” What I do, and I know what you do, is show people that you can have a ceremony that is warm, gracious and inviting. That honors the, I can say, the sacredness of what you're doing without being religious or denominational. But my hunch is that people don’t first focus on the ceremony because it's a bit overwhelming.
Clint:
Well, when you say overwhelming I think are you talking about the entire wedding process.
JP:
Certainly, the entire process. But I think the idea of what to do with the ceremony, since we're not getting married in the church, that's what makes it overwhelming. It's the sense of when and where do I go? How I do this? Who do I get? So that because it’s so daunting, people decided to put it to the side and focus on what I can do. We just pick out the linens, the venue. Then, as I'm sure with yourself, oftentimes I’ll get couples just a few months out. It's like we have everything done but we haven't figured out the ceremony.
Clint:
Right. There been many times where I feel like I'm the last person they think of.
JP:
Absolutely.
Clint:
They go through all the angst of getting their date and all the other little stuff in between. Then, all of a sudden, at some point, they look at each other and say, “Wait a minute. Who's going to marry us?” In fact I have a feeling when I did the Bachelorette Wedding - they just had their 10th anniversary - I have a feeling that in the boardroom, amongst all the producers, that was the conversation. Talking this huge television event deal. The site and how they had to transform it. At some point we can share stories about what actually happens behind the scenes when they get ready for a television wedding. But it just seems to me that at some point somebody said, wait a minute, who’s going to marry them? because they aren't affiliated with a specific church or anything like that or or clergy or anybody that would come out and perform the ceremony. So it was up to the production team to offer them choices. That's what I was to begin with of course. How were you found for the Survivor?
JP:
Thank you for the intro regarding the Survivor. I officiated the wedding for Boston Rob and Amber who just recently announced that they're going to later this year have a fourth child.
Clint:
Oh my gosh!
JP:
You said in Hollywood it's all about who you know. So I had the honor of officiating the wedding of one of the producers of the CBS special for their wedding. So when they were looking for an officiant the producer immediately thought of me.
Clint:
We’ve never shared the story before. That’s exactly what happened with me. I married the producer and there you go.
JP:
Welcome to Hollywood. It is is an interesting conversation because again, much like yourself, the couples who come to me - I would say 40 maybe 50% of the couples who come to me - want no mention of God. The people who were raised in some religious tradition and have now on just faded away from from whatever their their religious roots were. And because they want a ceremony that is authentic they they don't want to be in a religious setting. They don't want to have religious overtones. When first I meet with a couple, the first question I ask them is is there anything you know you do want, anything you know you don't want in ceremony? Anything that you’ve seen that you thought was lovely?
Clint:
I do exactly the same thing. So neat to hear you say that.
JP:
The number one answer is: 1. we don't want anything long and then, 2. we don't want any mention of God. If they’re not religiously affiliated. Number three is they can look at each other in the same way you know we really had a chance to talk about this. I'm not sure and oftentimes then what can we do? Again and again people are so influenced by what they see on TV. By movies with weddings. It's that sense of that has to be a certain way. What you and I do is remind people that we can create a ceremony that is not cookie-cutter.
Clint:
Although there are there are couples that… Two things that you touched on. The first thing is why somebody wouldn't want anything that has to do with religion or God. I think it's because they both may be deeply spiritual or raised in a particular religious tradition but because it's not the same they're afraid of conflicts within the families. So they would rather just not go there at all. They may both be deeply religious but it's just not gonna work for them, you know, I mean in terms of “can we please have a happy day? Please?” Sometimes you run into situations where people have their own agenda and it has nothing to do with the bride and groom. So I totally get that. Every now that I’ll say you can add like a flavor of your heritage or something that won't speak to anything religious and it's all good. The thing that comes to mind is for people who come from a Jewish heritage and stepping on the glass. There's nothing that's going to get in the way in terms of liturgy. So that's kind of a happy medium. Whenever I use when one person within the couple is is Jewish. But I I like the idea that nowadays people are looking from so many different places. Because they feel a little bit more freedom. If they come to us, were both nondenominational officiants in Southern California, and if they come to us that means they don't belong to a church or a temple. Where it's just a given that whoever is their clergy is gonna perform the ceremony. Which means then you play their ballgame. I have a great guy that lives a few houses down for me and he's a Rabbi. Not at a temple. He heads up the Jewish studies at school. But it people ask him to perform the ceremony. We have conversations and he's amazed at how flexible I am. I tell people nondenominational really means everything. But it makes sense if they come to you they already understand who you are. There's a structure and you're going to do things within the liturgy of the ceremony that has been done forever within the customs and heritage of the Jewish traditions. They just know that you play your ballgame. For him the food has to be Kosher. But if they come to us there really is kind of a blank canvas. I agree they don't know. Because they’ve never had that conversation. We've done this a 100 million times. They're going into this thing - but they also carry the emotional burden of everything that’s important to them. That just adds to the “I can't see the forest for the trees” type of a scenario.
JP:
Right. Right.
Clint:
That's one of the joys that we carry in what we do in that we have this climactic moment which is the ceremony and the kiss and we've had that self-satisfaction of guiding this couple to a moment that hopefully they'll remember forever. As being like one of the best moments in their entire life. But it takes a certain skill set, wouldn’t you agree, that you really have to understand what it is on so many different levels.
JP:
You know a ceremony is very interesting form of public presenting. Because as an officiant you're playing to two different audiences. Because your words are, yes, addressed to the couple but you have all of these people sitting behind the couple who are something more than just spectators. I think what the officiant has to do is address both the couple and their family and friends. The real trick is to, in gentle ways, bring family and friends into the ceremony. So as to remind them why they're there. And they’re there and not just for the Crate and Barrel gifts (which are very nice) or Pottery Barn, but they are there because this couple wanted them to bear witness as they said their vows.
Clint:
Yes and no. You cannot guarantee, considering who controls the guest list, there's not a guarantee that the bride and groom is going to be emotionally connected to every single guest that's been invited. Can I tell you a story?
JP:
Of course.
Clint:
I’m having a meeting with a couple. I don't know where he was from originally, some other country, and he came to America. The typical story of an immigrant comes here and becomes incredibly successful. He and his fiancée were both real estate agents and they specialized in really high end homes. Mansion type, fancy-schmancy type of deal. Out here in Southern California there are different pockets of areas that are in big-ticket items. So they had a house and they knew they wanted to get married and they needed to sell the house. They looked at each other and said how about if we kill two birds with one stone. We want to get married anyway. I want to show the house off. Let's invite every single person we know and have the wedding at the house. I said okay. How big is your guest list? They said about 350. You and I both officiated ceremonies where within certain cultures they invite the whole village. You can have everybody up to their weddings. I've heard stories of 500 600 people at a wedding but in this particular case he looked at me and he said “Now, having said that, I'll be honest with you. I would say at least three quarters of the people that are coming I couldn't care less about. We just want to show off the house. It's worth it for us to invest in the wedding.” I said okay, well, if that didn't exist it was just the two of you what would you do? He said “I would take her to the beach because we love the beach and that's one of the things we have in common, and I would look at her and into her eyes and I would tell her how much I love her and how much I have to be with her for the rest of my life.” I said that's what I want. That's what I want. I want you to imagine that happening between the two of you and were going to put that in the ceremony. Because the reality is those people are just lucky they got invited on so many levels. While you may have an ambivalence towards most of them socially, emotionally let's not forget that this moment is really between the two of you. And here's the beauty of it. A wonderful byproduct of you focusing on the two of you and really saying what's honestly in your heart with integrity and really having a true moment. They can't help but get sucked in even if they don't know you. To see this moment that quite honestly is primal you know what I mean?
JP:
Yes.
Clint:
We want to be in love. We want to love somebody. And they read books and they see movies and they listen to songs. It's all about falling in love. Hopefully finding your mate la la la la la. So here they see the two of you speaking honestly from your hearts to each other and you've accomplished something that you didn't really intend. Number one, They feel connected to a truly human moment. Number two, they’re really happy and it just happens that they’re now associate that happy feeling with the environment which is the house that you want to sell. So I said you really want to focus on what's happening to the two of you and I guarantee you that is what is gonna make this really special for the two of you after the house is gone. You couldn't care less about it it's all about your wedding and your moment. I know that what you just described for Rob and Amber's wedding is you focus on the two of them no matter what's happening with the television production. I was able to think were the reasons that that Trista and Ryan connected with me and chose me to be their officiant is because that's my process. No matter what else is going on. You guys build the ceremony with my guidance and it becomes honest between the two of them. I was really happy that at the 10 year anniversary ABC show the recommitment of their vows which they did really intimate back in Colorado. Ryan used the personal vows he had written to her in the original ceremony 10 years ago. He said it's as true today as it was then. From our perspective - I always tell people the officiant has the best seat in the house - from our perspective there is nothing better than a couple that truly connects to each other and if we give them the vehicle by which they can do that - and in future episodes of our podcast we’ll talk about everything that's connected to the ceremony in terms of the people, not only that the wedding party and the professional wedding vendors and and the families- we’ll talk about logistics in and what makes it good and what got the way and every thing possible in order to make sure that connection between the bride and the - well nowadays between the two people getting married - is so strong and nothing breaks it. I'm really looking forward to that process as well.
JP:
Absolutely Clint. I’d just quickly ask did the house sell? At the asking price?
Clint:
You know I never followed up on that. I know, I know, it's so funny and thought of that until you asked me that question.
JP:
That's the bottom line there.
Clint:
Well it was the true bottom line but it wasn't my priority so I guess I never even give it a second thought.
JP:
I would say though, and we are running at the time now, that certainly is a great story that you just told. The real estate story is in some respects the exception to the rule I think it's interesting to in some respects contrast that with Trista and Ryan's wedding along with Rob and Amber's wedding because when I was brought on board for Rob and Amber's wedding the producers said to me this is a wedding first and a TV special second.
Clint:
No greater words could've been said to you. That's awesome.
JP:
Another way of putting that for someone who’s wedding is not being broadcast on TV is that the focus is on creating magic and not on the perfection of it. I think if people focus on the magic of the day, on the magic of the ceremony, rather than obsessing about perfection, they're going to bring their wedding dream to life. And so there you have it.
Clint:
I agree 100% and, as we wrap up, that's gonna be kinda like the guiding light through all of the episodes of this podcast. The magic of the ceremony. How to create it and how to keep it intact and how to be able to tap into it every time you think about your wedding ceremony. We’ll get into all of those aspects later. The beauty of this is that there really is no end to the different facets of the wedding ceremony that we’ll be discussing because there's a constant evolution. We find new venues that have their own idiosyncrasies and we find new products that help couples communicate to each other in terms of what they're creating. We have wedding professionals that will at some point be guests on the podcast. I’m very excited. We’re going to help a lot of people plus the every time you and I get together we does make ourselves happier.
JP:
Absolutely, Clint. Wonderful, and very very excited.
Clint:
All right, JP. We’ll bid ado to everybody and look forward to our next episode. Take care.
This is the wedding ceremony podcast, episode number one, recorded on Tuesday, February 4, 2014. My name is Rev. Clint Hufft and with me is JP Reynolds, star of the survivor wedding. JP everything good?
JP:
Everything is good, Clint. Excited to be a part of this.
Clint:
I am, too. I I don't see anything like this out there. We discussed this at length and what I really like is the idea that our perspective is both biased and unbiased in the fact that that we deal with the section of the wedding industry that I've said for years the doesn't exist within the business. But for the people that are actually experiencing this life-changing moment it's kind of the most important thing of the wedding day.
JP:
You know it really is. My thought is that you can have a great party with a lousy ceremony. You have a great ceremony, it really propels your guests and your family the party and people realize and understand what it is they're celebrating.
Clint:
So glad to hear you say that. There been times where I said to couples, and actually to other professionals as well - and this is where I admit I'm biased - but if if a couple decides to marry each other, I always think that if they then immediately, before they do anything else, because you know all the pressure of: we have to find a place! I’ve got to get a dress! If they immediately decide what they want to say to each other in terms of vows and commitments; how do I want to express my heart? Why I want to do this with you? If they figure out that language first, the very core of the ceremony, then expand out, all of a sudden all the other decisions they want to make in regards to the entire day become a lot easier. Because they've started with the essence of who they are, not only as a couple but as individuals. I always say that's the most important part of the ceremony. Because, number one, that's who we fell in love with. Number two, that's who you're offering: yourself. And all the little idiosyncrasies, all the little things that they've discussed over the years. Falling in love and figuring out if they have a future. All that comes into play when they really commit to each other. Does that make sense?
JP:
Right, you know it does, Clint. And I think my experience in working with couples is that oftentimes people think that if they're not going to get married in a church or temple or synagogue, not sure what they can have. I think people associate weddings ceremonies strictly with a religious setting and so people come to me and they’ll say, “We don't know what to do. We don't know what we can have. We don't know what's appropriate.” What I do, and I know what you do, is show people that you can have a ceremony that is warm, gracious and inviting. That honors the, I can say, the sacredness of what you're doing without being religious or denominational. But my hunch is that people don’t first focus on the ceremony because it's a bit overwhelming.
Clint:
Well, when you say overwhelming I think are you talking about the entire wedding process.
JP:
Certainly, the entire process. But I think the idea of what to do with the ceremony, since we're not getting married in the church, that's what makes it overwhelming. It's the sense of when and where do I go? How I do this? Who do I get? So that because it’s so daunting, people decided to put it to the side and focus on what I can do. We just pick out the linens, the venue. Then, as I'm sure with yourself, oftentimes I’ll get couples just a few months out. It's like we have everything done but we haven't figured out the ceremony.
Clint:
Right. There been many times where I feel like I'm the last person they think of.
JP:
Absolutely.
Clint:
They go through all the angst of getting their date and all the other little stuff in between. Then, all of a sudden, at some point, they look at each other and say, “Wait a minute. Who's going to marry us?” In fact I have a feeling when I did the Bachelorette Wedding - they just had their 10th anniversary - I have a feeling that in the boardroom, amongst all the producers, that was the conversation. Talking this huge television event deal. The site and how they had to transform it. At some point we can share stories about what actually happens behind the scenes when they get ready for a television wedding. But it just seems to me that at some point somebody said, wait a minute, who’s going to marry them? because they aren't affiliated with a specific church or anything like that or or clergy or anybody that would come out and perform the ceremony. So it was up to the production team to offer them choices. That's what I was to begin with of course. How were you found for the Survivor?
JP:
Thank you for the intro regarding the Survivor. I officiated the wedding for Boston Rob and Amber who just recently announced that they're going to later this year have a fourth child.
Clint:
Oh my gosh!
JP:
You said in Hollywood it's all about who you know. So I had the honor of officiating the wedding of one of the producers of the CBS special for their wedding. So when they were looking for an officiant the producer immediately thought of me.
Clint:
We’ve never shared the story before. That’s exactly what happened with me. I married the producer and there you go.
JP:
Welcome to Hollywood. It is is an interesting conversation because again, much like yourself, the couples who come to me - I would say 40 maybe 50% of the couples who come to me - want no mention of God. The people who were raised in some religious tradition and have now on just faded away from from whatever their their religious roots were. And because they want a ceremony that is authentic they they don't want to be in a religious setting. They don't want to have religious overtones. When first I meet with a couple, the first question I ask them is is there anything you know you do want, anything you know you don't want in ceremony? Anything that you’ve seen that you thought was lovely?
Clint:
I do exactly the same thing. So neat to hear you say that.
JP:
The number one answer is: 1. we don't want anything long and then, 2. we don't want any mention of God. If they’re not religiously affiliated. Number three is they can look at each other in the same way you know we really had a chance to talk about this. I'm not sure and oftentimes then what can we do? Again and again people are so influenced by what they see on TV. By movies with weddings. It's that sense of that has to be a certain way. What you and I do is remind people that we can create a ceremony that is not cookie-cutter.
Clint:
Although there are there are couples that… Two things that you touched on. The first thing is why somebody wouldn't want anything that has to do with religion or God. I think it's because they both may be deeply spiritual or raised in a particular religious tradition but because it's not the same they're afraid of conflicts within the families. So they would rather just not go there at all. They may both be deeply religious but it's just not gonna work for them, you know, I mean in terms of “can we please have a happy day? Please?” Sometimes you run into situations where people have their own agenda and it has nothing to do with the bride and groom. So I totally get that. Every now that I’ll say you can add like a flavor of your heritage or something that won't speak to anything religious and it's all good. The thing that comes to mind is for people who come from a Jewish heritage and stepping on the glass. There's nothing that's going to get in the way in terms of liturgy. So that's kind of a happy medium. Whenever I use when one person within the couple is is Jewish. But I I like the idea that nowadays people are looking from so many different places. Because they feel a little bit more freedom. If they come to us, were both nondenominational officiants in Southern California, and if they come to us that means they don't belong to a church or a temple. Where it's just a given that whoever is their clergy is gonna perform the ceremony. Which means then you play their ballgame. I have a great guy that lives a few houses down for me and he's a Rabbi. Not at a temple. He heads up the Jewish studies at school. But it people ask him to perform the ceremony. We have conversations and he's amazed at how flexible I am. I tell people nondenominational really means everything. But it makes sense if they come to you they already understand who you are. There's a structure and you're going to do things within the liturgy of the ceremony that has been done forever within the customs and heritage of the Jewish traditions. They just know that you play your ballgame. For him the food has to be Kosher. But if they come to us there really is kind of a blank canvas. I agree they don't know. Because they’ve never had that conversation. We've done this a 100 million times. They're going into this thing - but they also carry the emotional burden of everything that’s important to them. That just adds to the “I can't see the forest for the trees” type of a scenario.
JP:
Right. Right.
Clint:
That's one of the joys that we carry in what we do in that we have this climactic moment which is the ceremony and the kiss and we've had that self-satisfaction of guiding this couple to a moment that hopefully they'll remember forever. As being like one of the best moments in their entire life. But it takes a certain skill set, wouldn’t you agree, that you really have to understand what it is on so many different levels.
JP:
You know a ceremony is very interesting form of public presenting. Because as an officiant you're playing to two different audiences. Because your words are, yes, addressed to the couple but you have all of these people sitting behind the couple who are something more than just spectators. I think what the officiant has to do is address both the couple and their family and friends. The real trick is to, in gentle ways, bring family and friends into the ceremony. So as to remind them why they're there. And they’re there and not just for the Crate and Barrel gifts (which are very nice) or Pottery Barn, but they are there because this couple wanted them to bear witness as they said their vows.
Clint:
Yes and no. You cannot guarantee, considering who controls the guest list, there's not a guarantee that the bride and groom is going to be emotionally connected to every single guest that's been invited. Can I tell you a story?
JP:
Of course.
Clint:
I’m having a meeting with a couple. I don't know where he was from originally, some other country, and he came to America. The typical story of an immigrant comes here and becomes incredibly successful. He and his fiancée were both real estate agents and they specialized in really high end homes. Mansion type, fancy-schmancy type of deal. Out here in Southern California there are different pockets of areas that are in big-ticket items. So they had a house and they knew they wanted to get married and they needed to sell the house. They looked at each other and said how about if we kill two birds with one stone. We want to get married anyway. I want to show the house off. Let's invite every single person we know and have the wedding at the house. I said okay. How big is your guest list? They said about 350. You and I both officiated ceremonies where within certain cultures they invite the whole village. You can have everybody up to their weddings. I've heard stories of 500 600 people at a wedding but in this particular case he looked at me and he said “Now, having said that, I'll be honest with you. I would say at least three quarters of the people that are coming I couldn't care less about. We just want to show off the house. It's worth it for us to invest in the wedding.” I said okay, well, if that didn't exist it was just the two of you what would you do? He said “I would take her to the beach because we love the beach and that's one of the things we have in common, and I would look at her and into her eyes and I would tell her how much I love her and how much I have to be with her for the rest of my life.” I said that's what I want. That's what I want. I want you to imagine that happening between the two of you and were going to put that in the ceremony. Because the reality is those people are just lucky they got invited on so many levels. While you may have an ambivalence towards most of them socially, emotionally let's not forget that this moment is really between the two of you. And here's the beauty of it. A wonderful byproduct of you focusing on the two of you and really saying what's honestly in your heart with integrity and really having a true moment. They can't help but get sucked in even if they don't know you. To see this moment that quite honestly is primal you know what I mean?
JP:
Yes.
Clint:
We want to be in love. We want to love somebody. And they read books and they see movies and they listen to songs. It's all about falling in love. Hopefully finding your mate la la la la la. So here they see the two of you speaking honestly from your hearts to each other and you've accomplished something that you didn't really intend. Number one, They feel connected to a truly human moment. Number two, they’re really happy and it just happens that they’re now associate that happy feeling with the environment which is the house that you want to sell. So I said you really want to focus on what's happening to the two of you and I guarantee you that is what is gonna make this really special for the two of you after the house is gone. You couldn't care less about it it's all about your wedding and your moment. I know that what you just described for Rob and Amber's wedding is you focus on the two of them no matter what's happening with the television production. I was able to think were the reasons that that Trista and Ryan connected with me and chose me to be their officiant is because that's my process. No matter what else is going on. You guys build the ceremony with my guidance and it becomes honest between the two of them. I was really happy that at the 10 year anniversary ABC show the recommitment of their vows which they did really intimate back in Colorado. Ryan used the personal vows he had written to her in the original ceremony 10 years ago. He said it's as true today as it was then. From our perspective - I always tell people the officiant has the best seat in the house - from our perspective there is nothing better than a couple that truly connects to each other and if we give them the vehicle by which they can do that - and in future episodes of our podcast we’ll talk about everything that's connected to the ceremony in terms of the people, not only that the wedding party and the professional wedding vendors and and the families- we’ll talk about logistics in and what makes it good and what got the way and every thing possible in order to make sure that connection between the bride and the - well nowadays between the two people getting married - is so strong and nothing breaks it. I'm really looking forward to that process as well.
JP:
Absolutely Clint. I’d just quickly ask did the house sell? At the asking price?
Clint:
You know I never followed up on that. I know, I know, it's so funny and thought of that until you asked me that question.
JP:
That's the bottom line there.
Clint:
Well it was the true bottom line but it wasn't my priority so I guess I never even give it a second thought.
JP:
I would say though, and we are running at the time now, that certainly is a great story that you just told. The real estate story is in some respects the exception to the rule I think it's interesting to in some respects contrast that with Trista and Ryan's wedding along with Rob and Amber's wedding because when I was brought on board for Rob and Amber's wedding the producers said to me this is a wedding first and a TV special second.
Clint:
No greater words could've been said to you. That's awesome.
JP:
Another way of putting that for someone who’s wedding is not being broadcast on TV is that the focus is on creating magic and not on the perfection of it. I think if people focus on the magic of the day, on the magic of the ceremony, rather than obsessing about perfection, they're going to bring their wedding dream to life. And so there you have it.
Clint:
I agree 100% and, as we wrap up, that's gonna be kinda like the guiding light through all of the episodes of this podcast. The magic of the ceremony. How to create it and how to keep it intact and how to be able to tap into it every time you think about your wedding ceremony. We’ll get into all of those aspects later. The beauty of this is that there really is no end to the different facets of the wedding ceremony that we’ll be discussing because there's a constant evolution. We find new venues that have their own idiosyncrasies and we find new products that help couples communicate to each other in terms of what they're creating. We have wedding professionals that will at some point be guests on the podcast. I’m very excited. We’re going to help a lot of people plus the every time you and I get together we does make ourselves happier.
JP:
Absolutely, Clint. Wonderful, and very very excited.
Clint:
All right, JP. We’ll bid ado to everybody and look forward to our next episode. Take care.